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May 27, 2020

The doctor is in.

Zac Hall returns and joins first time special guest Dr. Vivian Pugh, internal medicine physician (and Jake’s amazing wife), for a discussion on contract tracing, how it has traditionally been done and what the new Exposure Notification API developed by Apple and Google can do to improve contact tracing for Covid-19 while maintaining user privacy. How does it work? Who is embracing it? Vivian and Zac help us understand from both a medical and technological perspective, and we hope you enjoy this fascinating discussion on a very timely subject.

Originally recorded on May 22, 2020

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